Rollbacked transfers

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  • #1 2020-02-25 09:01

    bubu<3 wrote:

    Trolling?

    Moog your trolling mate?
    Wanna buy some of mine for 150k?

    Try to recalculate this player with seasonal cost.

  • #2 2020-02-25 10:40

    92 det? ...Still Too Much.

  • #3 2020-02-25 11:32

    I don't really understand that point. How high should determination be for 150k then?

    The player can play for 12 seasons - that's quite low seasonal cost. You can't really get a 400/400 player for that low seasonal cost at age 24 maxed.

  • #4 2020-02-25 11:56

    2 more bids now so guess he worth the price

  • #5 2020-02-25 12:30

    bubu<3 wrote:

    92 det? ...Still Too Much.


    Who determines it's too much to approve it by admins or not? You Or the market? If too much, there wouldn't be 3 bids. You have to consider his age, training, the lack of supply coz csm agent pauses during season transition and the fact that a new cup starts soon. Seasonal costs wise he looks withing normal price range. Not much different to a det 92 getting sold for 80k at age of 30 lately.

  • #6 2020-02-25 15:46

    Seems like the price for these kind of player changed. Still i am wondering why someon would pay so much..For me a troll. .... xD

  • #7 2020-02-26 08:59

    :-))

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  • #8 2020-02-26 09:01

    Ty sir already being looked at

    Last edited by Verba at 2020-02-26 09:02
  • #9 2020-02-26 10:08

    You're very welcome mate :-)

  • #10 2020-02-28 10:10

    Nice banking case :^)

  • #11 2020-02-28 12:39

    mrcarlsen wrote:

    Nice banking case :^)


    Banking is allowed and never a reason for rollback.

  • #12 2020-02-28 13:09

    I'm aware this has somehow become alllowed and I just want to point it out that it's against the spirit of the game and general rules which is here to make sure every manager has equal chance of success (§1.1). I think it's reasonable to have a discussion about this because it gives well-connected managers an unfair advantage.

    When you buy and hold players for a friend without any motivation to benefit your own clan you're engaging in a practice that give an unfair advantage compared to other managers because this manager don't have to be online at deadline.

    Even within the current rules it should be disallowed. It's exploiting the transfer list in a way that was not intended (§3.3) and the parties involved are deliberately transferring money between them (§4.2).

  • #13 2020-02-28 13:23

    Someone link me the news where banking is allowed. Thank you.

  • #14 2020-02-28 13:23

    Verba wrote:

    Someone link me the news where banking is allowed. Thank you.


    check there.

    mrcarlsen wrote:

    When you buy and hold players for a friend without any motivation to benefit your own clan you're engaging in a practice that give an unfair advantage compared to other managers because this manager don't have to be online at deadline.


    there is no limitation to selling and the only limitation to buying is to bid a price which doesn't lead to a rollback. you are allowed to change your plans as manager by selling at any time. usually the only one being punished is the bidder who bids unrealistic prices.
    someone not being online can still get a player by placing a prebid which is high enough to get the player without any bidfight.

    mrcarlsen wrote:

    I'm aware this has somehow become alllowed and I just want to point it out that it's against the spirit of the game and general rules which is here to make sure every manager has equal chance of success (§1.1). I think it's reasonable to have a discussion about this because it gives well-connected managers an unfair advantage.

    When you buy and hold players for a friend without any motivation to benefit your own clan you're engaging in a practice that give an unfair advantage compared to other managers because this manager don't have to be online at deadline.

    Even within the current rules it should be disallowed. It's exploiting the transfer list in a way that was not intended (§3.3) and the parties involved are deliberately transferring money between them (§4.2).


    1 approved transfer without rollback is still without rollback when repeated 2 or 3 times in similar transfer window. If §4.2 kicks in there would be already a rollback in the 1st 75k transfer in the case you linked. However, there won't be a rollback again as admins aren't known for dictating market pricing.

    Last edited by Raid on at 2020-02-28 13:38
  • #15 2020-02-28 13:33

    rollback this, triad being force again

    Last edited by backtrack at 2020-02-28 13:36
  • #16 2020-02-28 13:38

    Raid on wrote:


    there is no limitation to selling and the only limitation to buying is to bid a price which doesn't lead to a rollback

    This is not true. There are plenty of rules

    Last edited by Verba at 2020-02-28 13:38
  • #17 2020-02-28 13:41

    Verba wrote:

    Raid on wrote:


    there is no limitation to selling and the only limitation to buying is to bid a price which doesn't lead to a rollback

    This is not true. There are plenty of rules


    well. in the case he mentioned none of the rules you are prolly pointing at were broken. rollbacks still happen though.

  • #18 2020-02-28 13:41

    1) How will admin be able to tell that (in this case) Ludis only buys the player with the intention to hold and resell the player the next day? They can't know the intention before the player is put back on TL so of course they can't roll back the transfer the first time because this is not a question of whether the price is fair. If you can't be online at deadline you shouldn't be given a second chance at the player.

    2) Please tell me how buying and reselling a player with no intention to benefit your own clan for an agreed price is not deliberating transferring money between two clans?

    3) It's against the spirit of the game and exploiting the transfer list in a way it's not intended. If your influential manager you can leverage your network to hold players you can't because your not online at deadline... or you can sell your own players and buy them back so you can participate in a given WWT for example.

  • #19 2020-02-28 13:43

    mrcarlsen wrote:

    2) Please tell me how buying and reselling a player with no intention to benefit your own clan for an agreed price is not deliberating transferring money between two clans?


    some guys go allin with oldies and 1 season later they are worth nothing without improvements in competitions or winning trophies. no financial or competitive benefit to own clan too but legit gameplay. do you want to punish them too?

  • #20 2020-02-28 13:48

    That has nothing to do with banking. The transfer mrcarlsen linked is all within 48 hours. Not a season.

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