Rollbacked transfers

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  • #1 2021-02-03 23:28

    zAiw00t wrote:

    pattie wrote:

    nice try zaiw00t

    Actually that is a horrible try (in case I wanted to cheat on the TL).

    The transfer has just been approved. I have no idea why an admin approved this transfer. As mentioned I have reported the transfer, and it should have been checked by admins. The bid from the inactive user makes no sense - I was trying my luck with a 5k startbid. Normally those kinds of bids are rolled back afaik.

    I've made a support ticket to learn more.

    The bid from the inactive user makes no sense - I was trying my luck with a 5k startbid. Normally those kinds of bids are rolled back afaik.
    was this player too inactive or what was the issue?

    MrKaizer wrote:

    Just to end any speculation, zAiw00ts transfer has now been rolled back. Slightly delayed. The transfer was reported, and accepted by mistake. SA was slow to undo.

    Last edited by bumbiii at 2021-02-03 23:50
  • #2 2021-02-03 23:31

    Ludis wrote:

    scw- wrote:

    Charlie123's players (all five iirc) were put back on TL after he had kicked them all and he was banned

    Yes and Bjousel’s p2 which was kicked by touriste to sabotage Cup game.

    So admins can if they want, but this is not the case to help user. A lot of deals should have been rollbacked like this, problem as always is in consistency and not having clear rules. Still this is not the first time player gets rollbacked due to inactivity of buyer.

    or this time?

  • #3 2021-02-03 23:52

    zAiw00t wrote:


    Just to avoid misunderstandings: rollbacks are never done based on the activity bar of the buyer alone. Context has to be considered as well. That's why you might experience some transfers are accepted, even though the buyer has low activity bar.

    I fully understand this too, but when a manger make zero transfers in 12 months(except 100 csm buy)
    Buys 2 players from same manager that increased in value by 4500% and 1666% in 1 season,
    Has a name thats obviously 'Selling and quit' and 0/5 activity some suspicion should be raised.

    The same manager made a 400k(?) bid on something but luckily got raised above that.

    If i remember correctly Wumpah got a rollback on two of his players that he tried to buy when he was quitting the game.

    zAiw00t wrote:

    PS. You're not on a blacklist afaik, bumbii

    good

    Last edited by bumbiii at 2021-02-04 00:10
  • #4 2021-02-04 11:52

    There is sometimes more context to it than that. I ensure you, we always try to avoid abuse, but at the same time we all want a game where it's legit to make a good (or bad...) deal without admin interference.

    bumbiii wrote:

    zAiw00t wrote:

    pattie wrote:

    nice try zaiw00t

    Actually that is a horrible try (in case I wanted to cheat on the TL).

    The transfer has just been approved. I have no idea why an admin approved this transfer. As mentioned I have reported the transfer, and it should have been checked by admins. The bid from the inactive user makes no sense - I was trying my luck with a 5k startbid. Normally those kinds of bids are rolled back afaik.

    I've made a support ticket to learn more.

    The bid from the inactive user makes no sense - I was trying my luck with a 5k startbid. Normally those kinds of bids are rolled back afaik.
    was this player too inactive or what was the issue?

    It's a different case. I was normal user back then and got an insane overbid on one of my players I was trying to sell. Reported it myself. The reason it should have rollback (imo) - and the reason it was in the end - was the fact that the bid didn't reflect market value at all. When that is the case it's irrelevant whether the buyer is active or not.

  • #5 2021-02-19 23:31

    zAiw00t wrote:

    in general I share the opinion of arcane: "Generally speaking the practice should be avoiding rollbacks as much as possible, unless it's a very impactful and obvious transfer cheating."

    Just to avoid misunderstandings: rollbacks are never done based on the activity bar of the buyer alone. Context has to be considered as well. That's why you might experience some transfers are accepted, even though the buyer has low activity bar.

    PS. You're not on a blacklist afaik, bumbii

    I am obviously blind to contex, transfer cheating is nowdays encouraged for the health of the game?

    Last edited by bumbiii at 2021-02-20 00:01
  • #6 2021-02-20 01:55

    This 100% should have been rollbacked. Any explanation to justify this transfer is going to be embarrassing, other than admitting a mistake of course.

  • #7 2021-02-20 13:56

    ups looks like someone is cheating, first time a transfer like that go trough without rollback XDDDD.

    Im waiting for "someone" to make calculations on why this player can reach this value sometimes and the transfer is legit...

    Last edited by Zack at 2021-02-20 13:57
  • #8 2021-02-20 14:20

    Zack wrote:

    ups looks like someone is cheating, first time a transfer like that go trough without rollback XDDDD.


    players being transfered overpriced without rollback? nothing new. happens for at least 15-30 percent of all cases every season. you call it "looks like someone is cheating" but some call it "transfered at market price" if no rollback happens.

    Last edited by Raid on at 2021-02-20 14:24
  • #9 2021-02-20 22:05

    I was tempt to put Raid On instead of someone, because i was thinking about you but i thought to let you come without saying your nickname 😂 at the end you look like a nice guy and polite but you look like to have an opposite opinion of mine quite often. Cheers !🍺

  • #10 2021-02-25 18:25

    “Transfer rollback Date: 2021-02-25 17:15:02
    Sent by: wzkxu
    Sent to: janicas, Shindao007
    Transfer id: 3041828 has been rollbacked

    Playernick: Pussy licker (From Death Magnetic)
    Bid: 13337 csm (From Dream)

    The transfer has been rolled back because the bidder is new to the game, and the bid would have put him/her in serious financial trouble, if the transfer had been completed. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, if you have any questions or comments do not hesitate to contact me.“

    Are this guy even serious about this?!
    13k transfer rolledback?!
    I see shit much worst going on on TL everday..
    Isn’t my fault that he is new in game and made an offer?!

    Can’t understand this, this game still the same bullshit , if this transfer was made by a top manager, this certenly wouldn’t happening, what you think?

  • #11 2021-02-25 19:55

    janicas wrote:

    Can’t understand this, this game still the same bullshit , if this transfer was made by a top manager, this certenly wouldn’t happening, what you think?[/b]


    if the player is worth that much, you can put easily him on TL again for the same amount and grab your cash from a financially less suspicious bidder.

  • #12 2021-02-25 20:12

    Raid on wrote:

    janicas wrote:

    Can’t understand this, this game still the same bullshit , if this transfer was made by a top manager, this certenly wouldn’t happening, what you think?[/b]


    if the player is worth that much, you can put easily him on TL again for the same amount and grab your cash from a financially less suspicious bidder.

    I know that but i needed the cash for Saturday, how i do that now?

  • #13 2021-02-25 23:06

    janicas wrote:

    Raid on wrote:

    janicas wrote:

    Can’t understand this, this game still the same bullshit , if this transfer was made by a top manager, this certenly wouldn’t happening, what you think?[/b]


    if the player is worth that much, you can put easily him on TL again for the same amount and grab your cash from a financially less suspicious bidder.

    I know that but i needed the cash for Saturday, how i do that now?

    You don't see the context just like me.

    SImilar player to yours(this is a little worse in my opinion) Sold for 13 337 csm
    (seasonal cost until 35yo ~8 891csm)

    He was also 1 day old at this time, just like your buyer

    I think the context could be the name of the player you were trying to sell, since the buyer might be under age.
    (seasonal cost until 35yo ~2 222 csm)

    Last edited by bumbiii at 2021-02-25 23:11
  • #14 2021-02-25 23:49

    bumbiii wrote:

    janicas wrote:

    Raid on wrote:

    janicas wrote:

    Can’t understand this, this game still the same bullshit , if this transfer was made by a top manager, this certenly wouldn’t happening, what you think?[/b]


    if the player is worth that much, you can put easily him on TL again for the same amount and grab your cash from a financially less suspicious bidder.

    I know that but i needed the cash for Saturday, how i do that now?

    You don't see the context just like me.

    SImilar player to yours(this is a little worse in my opinion) Sold for 13 337 csm
    (seasonal cost until 35yo ~8 891csm)

    He was also 1 day old at this time, just like your buyer

    I think the context could be the name of the player you were trying to sell, since the buyer might be under age.
    (seasonal cost until 35yo ~2 222 csm)

    the age of the manager xD

    my rollback transfer was made without even talking to the other manager and try to understand why did he bid him?
    and if he knows what is doing cause already played thi game before?
    it's a 13k transfer, not 50k+, i really don't understand , my player in nowdays market can worth that 13k, why rollback? just because the guy who bid doesn't have experience in game? seems to me unfair, cause when i started to play years ago, i made alot of bad decisions too, incl buying players that i cannot afford, so what the difference between?
    If the player worth that money, the right thing to do is to harm one manger to protect another that made a bad decision? is this even fair?

  • #15 2021-03-10 14:40

    This deal looks very shady to me.

    I was planning to buy this player for very little amount - so this kind of behaviour has to be against the rules.

    I refer to § 4.1:

    "When bidding, never bid (much) more than the market price for a player. Unserious bids are regarded as cheating. "

    Relevant notes to § 4.1:

    "What are examples for unserious bidding?
    [...]
    c. Bidding on a friend or family members player to help them out.

    What are the punishments for unserious bidding?
    Additional Punishment Points (PP) and rollback for buyer (If no collusions).
    Rollback and Additional Punishment Points (PP) for buyer and seller (if there's collusion).
    "

    In addition I refer to § 4.2:

    "You are not allowed to deliberately transfer money from one clan to another. This may be by trading a player at a higher value or trading many players with lower values."

    Relevant notes to § 4.2:

    "Why?
    CSM's transfer market operates on a supply and demand basis:
    a. Selling a player to a friend at a high price to transfer money to someone in need is unfair to those selling similar players at a lower market price.
    "

    I also refer to § 4.4:

    "If you see someone making an unrealistically high bid on one of your players, you should report it immediately. This is for your own benefit as, otherwise, you may be viewed as participating in a money transfer attempt."

    All the rules stated above seems to have been violated - and thus its very sad for me and CSM.

    Last edited by J0nas at 2021-03-10 14:53
  • #16 2021-03-10 15:01

    J0nas wrote:

    This deal looks very shady to me.

    I was planning to buy this player for very little amount - so this kind of behaviour has to be against the rules.


    banking is allowed again since years. check both threads:
    #1
    #2

    the purchases of ecs44 and hu7k weren't rollbacked. so you can assume they passed the admin check and got considered legit. if ecs44 + hu7k change their mind within days and zoif wants to buy back both for a similar price, it's very unlikely that a rollback of zoif's bids will happen.

  • #17 2021-03-10 15:13

    Raid on wrote:

    J0nas wrote:

    This deal looks very shady to me.

    I was planning to buy this player for very little amount - so this kind of behaviour has to be against the rules.

    if ecs44 + hu7k change their mind within days and zoif wants to buy back both for a similar price,

    I think this is correct.

  • #18 2021-03-10 16:24

    Well.. we all know that this is a clear baking case.
    Unfortunately banking is not covered by the rules, thus it is not illegal.

    This may change sometime in the far future, maybe, but nowadays we cannot and will not roll that transfer back as it is not forbidden.

    We internally had a huge discussion going on the last time (early 2020 iirc) when there was another bigger banking issue. However we (actually the GA+ team back then) came to conclusion that we cannot proof it. We can only assume and that is definitely not enough to justify a punishment/rollback.

    I agree that this nouhau case is more than obvious, but, I need to repeat myself, so far it is not against the rules.

    Last edited by Wrath at 2021-03-10 16:30
  • #19 2021-03-10 16:32

    But is it even banking? Isnt banking when Manager A buys Player 1 from Manager B, because Manager C doesnt have the csm needed and Manager C then buys Player 1 from Manager A when the needed csm have been collected??

    Last edited by booban at 2021-03-10 16:33
  • #20 2021-03-10 16:56

    Wrath wrote:

    Well.. we all know that this is a clear baking case.
    Unfortunately banking is not covered by the rules, thus it is not illegal.

    I agree that this nouhau case is more than obvious, but, I need to repeat myself, so far it is not against the rules.

    If admin team doesnt even understand the term "banking" well ye its hard to punish

    This isnt banking at all its saving managers ass after rage sell, and honestly I have nothing against it, even if ecs bid can be considered as a friendly bid since so much more than previous bid

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