Rollbacked transfers

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  • #1 2021-03-11 17:23

    Raid on wrote:

    MissSavage wrote:

    Imagine being new to this game and read all this, no wonder people leave.


    this case doesn't affect new users because they it would take them years of smart management + success to be able to afford this kind of high seasonal costs players.

    It damn well affects them as much as any other manager; you keep playing a game because you have motivation, goals, aspirations.
    If you see how crooked it is at the high-end, how on earth would you have any faith in your chances and keep that will to progress ?

    Last edited by RiFLE at 2021-03-11 17:47
  • #2 2021-03-11 17:44

    scw- wrote:

    If we take the transfer list rules stricto sensu, 4 out of 5 were broken on the ecs transfer.
    Now I think its a pity zoif "ragesold", rageselling is always a pity

    That doesn't mean it should be allowed to save anyone from a ragesell, no matter who he is. I repeat it again : it is NOT banking, it is saving someone from a ragesell. As Icbus pointed out, osis and him bidding has nothing to do with players values, only with the fact they were willing to restore justice by themselves.

    They're not helping themselves here, those players have nothing to do with their current strategies.

    You can keep trolling as much as you want wzkxu, you are still totally out of order. That type of talk for an admin : trolling arrogantly, brushing aside fairly raised points, interpreting events exclusively the way it suits your own agenda (basically lying shamelessly in that case) is enough for you to be moved out of the admin team with immediate effect, I 100% stand by what I said.

    Zoif is totally right in the sense there are a lot of precedents in terms of abusive use of TL but :
    1- none were of this nature (save someone from a ragesell)
    2- it doesn't mean it should keep happening.

    So this is where we stand:
    - zoif plays a weakened team for the test of CL as it was meant to be when he pressed the "sell" button, which is a shame but his own will after all.
    - he arguably receives more money than a normal auction would have brought (on the player who went through ecs' lineup most notably), although one could argue at this point it doesn't make that much of a difference considering that he is quite rich.
    - osis and icbus take the hit instead of the people actually doing market manipulations.
    - admins watch the action unfold and remain confusingly blind to their shortcomings.

    This somes it up exactly, not really any more to be said about it.

  • #3 2021-03-11 18:10

    scw- wrote:


    - osis and icbus take the hit instead of the people actually doing market manipulations.
    .

    Agree on everything except this and that wzxku should resign(not my call)
    I have no opinion here.

    Market manipulations? Sure, could be to some degree - but was the benefit for hu7k, ecs44 or zoif?
    The only shady bid was ecs44 raise, not the end price.
    Market value is hard to determine, but shouldn't have changed much in 2 seasons.

    Imo it's about intent.
    Zoifs intended to buy em back for the same amount as the players was bought for from hu7k and ecs44.
    Basically to save his rage sell.
    This is a question if it should be updated in rulebook.

    Obviously zoif the seller and buyer valued both players to 722k and 765k.
    since he bought em for around that price in season 117 and 119. - probably from bidfight, so more than one manager had the same conclusion about their values.

    So osis and icbus made it worse by raising zoif's bid, especially if they don't want the players initially.
    Especially if csm-community feels like the prices are unreasonable.

    No one was taking a hit financially or anywhere else, until osis and icbus made their bid.

    Last edited by bumbiii at 2021-03-11 18:13
  • #4 2021-03-11 18:22

    This is so blatanty bad. as MissS wrote it kinda just burns the eye a little bit.
    Most people I know including myself feel like selling our team, sometimes we do it, sometimes we dont.
    Sometimes we regret it, sometimes not.
    Its part of the game.
    Manipulating the market to avoid any regrets doesnt make it ok in any way whatsoever, no matter how you try and wrap it in.
    That people have to use energy in these posts to even have to explain that is already really sad, and probably part of the reason why something like that is still allowed.
    There is alot of biased opinions in this game, and in the last year or two I had several bad experiences with admins that favourered certain personal in the game.
    If you want things to take a turn for the right, the game needs to do a cleanup and get people in with the right intentions and no self agenda.

    Good day

  • #5 2021-03-11 18:45

    MissSavage wrote:

    I am talking about admins and how everyone hold hands over friends, this game isn't about fairness Raid its about having the "right" friends at the right time.
    This case i couldn't care less about but the system is rotten, now enjoy your day and keep trying as hard as you do zzzzz


    "right" friends like the ones Kevin had in kamikaze after accidentally selling the wrong player?
    2021-01-19 22:00 Bought Y. Carrasco (id: 17176274) from 🐺 WOLFнεαят 💙 goes kamikaze for 343 961 csm
    2021-01-17 21:30 Sold Y. Carrasco (id: 17176274) to 🐺 WOLFнεαят 💙 goes kamikaze for 311 981 csm (Profit: 0 csm, Tax

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  • #10 2021-03-11 19:23

    Raid on wrote:

    MissSavage wrote:

    I am talking about admins and how everyone hold hands over friends, this game isn't about fairness Raid its about having the "right" friends at the right time.
    This case i couldn't care less about but the system is rotten, now enjoy your day and keep trying as hard as you do zzzzz


    "right" friends like the ones Kevin had in kamikaze after accidentally selling the wrong player?
    2021-01-19 22:00 Bought Y. Carrasco (id: 17176274) from 🐺 WOLFнεαят 💙 goes kamikaze for 343 961 csm
    2021-01-17 21:30 Sold Y. Carrasco (id: 17176274) to 🐺 WOLFнεαят 💙 goes kamikaze for 311 981 csm (Profit: 0 csm, Tax

    On that case someone tried to increase the price too , so what's the problem with those transfers now?

    Last edited by Kakalov at 2021-03-11 19:23
  • #11 2021-03-11 19:57

    Raid on wrote:

    MissSavage wrote:

    I am talking about admins and how everyone hold hands over friends, this game isn't about fairness Raid its about having the "right" friends at the right time.
    This case i couldn't care less about but the system is rotten, now enjoy your day and keep trying as hard as you do zzzzz


    "right" friends like the ones Kevin had in kamikaze after accidentally selling the wrong player?
    2021-01-19 22:00 Bought Y. Carrasco (id: 17176274) from 🐺 WOLFнεαят 💙 goes kamikaze for 343 961 csm
    2021-01-17 21:30 Sold Y. Carrasco (id: 17176274) to 🐺 WOLFнεαят 💙 goes kamikaze for 311 981 csm (Profit: 0 csm, Tax

    Nobody said it was exclusive to the situation we're talking about right now. It has been acknowledged that such things have been blatantly "tolerated" in the past as well.
    Why are you so defensive about this as if it was you ?

    Last edited by RiFLE at 2021-03-11 19:57
  • #12 2021-03-11 20:12

    Just reset the game, or at least run a simultaneous version of it in parallel. I don't understand why this is a difficult thing to do.

    New users are having problems? Solved.
    Too much money in the game? Solved.
    Users can't bank anymore (at least not in the near future)? Solved.

    And those are just issues mentioned in this thread.

  • #13 2021-03-11 20:21

    Nothing new, market was, is, and will be full of shit, after some time playing and complaining , and also watching some admins behaviours this is just another case, the only thing is the bright minds are involved and comms and enemies are making noise

  • #14 2021-03-11 20:30

    arcane wrote:

    Just reset the game, or at least run a simultaneous version of it in parallel. I don't understand why this is a difficult thing to do.

    New users are having problems? Solved.
    Too much money in the game? Solved.
    Users can't bank anymore (at least not in the near future)? Solved.

    And those are just issues mentioned in this thread.

    arcane just won

  • #15 2021-03-11 20:39

    Looking at this thread I came to the only logical conclusion: I am the only user in csm that is not cheating. And the only Italian-born Belgian with no brothers and sisters in-game.

  • #16 2021-03-11 21:02

    nice to see community involved in fixing this "daily legit normal stuff"

    Last edited by tricky at 2021-03-11 21:02
  • #17 2021-03-12 00:15

    scw- wrote:

    wzkxu wrote:

    I wonder how many reports will osis and Icbus get for their bids :-s

    Considering the admin tag you carry, you are totally out of order sir.
    You should resign immediately if you are incapable of putting your allegeances aside and understand why there is so much scrutiny on this situation.

    +1

    this admin is a joke for this game.

  • #18 2021-03-12 00:19

    MissSavage wrote:

    Imagine being new to this game and read all this, no wonder people leave.

    you said it all... i told this before in this same topic...

  • #19 2021-03-12 00:26

    scw- wrote:

    You can keep trolling as much as you want wzkxu, you are still totally out of order. That type of talk for an admin : trolling arrogantly, brushing aside fairly raised points, interpreting events exclusively the way it suits your own agenda (basically lying shamelessly in that case) is enough for you to be moved out of the admin team with immediate effect, I 100% stand by what I said.

    Like i said...
    x2

  • #20 2021-03-12 01:04

    RiFLE wrote:

    If you see how crooked it is at the high-end


    highend players sold multiple times for highend prices? no surprise.

    RiFLE wrote:

    , how on earth would you have any faith in your chances and keep that will to progress ?


    the guys in swedish div. 2 will have a hard time now vs osis, finnish 1337 will open a bottle of champagne. however, great managers grow with the level of challenges. if you seek excuses for failure or reasons to give up competing, you'll always find plenty of them in csm.

    Last edited by Raid on at 2021-03-12 01:05
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