Rollbacked transfers

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  • #1 2017-07-31 13:58

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  • #2 2017-08-25 12:11

    500/500 CL disappearing into a black hole

    0 activity, no transfers in last 1.5 years, playing at the bottom of div 1 in Israel.

    Last edited by vers at 2017-08-25 12:51
  • #3 2017-08-25 12:23

    And who would benefit from the player being rolled back I wonder? #bankingonewrongbetterrolloutthemulti

    According to what you wrote on toplis guestbook (and has now been deleted hehe) him buying the player equates to wasting him too.

    Last edited by Icbus at 2017-08-25 12:29
  • #4 2017-08-25 12:34

    Icbus wrote:

    And who would benefit from the player being rolled back I wonder? #bankingonewrongbetterrolloutthemulti

    According to what you wrote on toplis guestbook (and has now been deleted hehe) him buying the player equates to wasting him too.

    Consider the current state of the transfer list and lack of good players and then think about what happened here. This player will simply disappear. I wouldn't care if it was a manager with at least half decent team and active but I find this simply disgusting that 0/5 activity guy, no transfers in the past 1.5 years, no interest in the game whatsoever is allowed to bid almost 700k on a single player.

    So get your head out of your own arse for once. And FYI such rollbacks happened in the past.

    Last edited by vers at 2017-08-25 12:59
  • #5 2017-08-25 12:58

    Narko wrote:

    Hello everyone,

    So, since may decision is causing a very enthusiast reaction around here there are some things I would like to clarify.

    First of all, the roll I take as admin is the most impartially one I can possible do. Either you belong to a very know community or a "no one" around here they all receive the same attention.

    One of the reasons the transfers are validated before they can happen is to prevent any type of cheating or someone to gain an "unfair" advantage through the TL. So the work of an admin in here, it's to act actively in the prevention of any possible cheating.

    There are two major factors in here, the true intentions of the users are never know by the admin and the same admin may have different perspective than you on the players value for example.

    Ultimately we "don't care" why you want that player or why you are willing to give "that" money for it. What matters to me is always the other characteristics around the transfer.

    The price of a player is always subjective. A very active player can bid 500k in a player and usually no one cares but if someone else less know or active do the same we may receive tons of reports about it. So the price it's not what is the most important here but rather the circumstances that the bid/transfer would occur.

    In the particular case;
    - The buyer had 0 activity bar.
    - Was not active in the TL in any shape or form.
    - Put a single 500k bid on underskilled player from a user of the same community.
    - There were other info I took into account but they are personal info only for admin consideration (sorry).

    Furthermore, and also to address some concerns that pop around here, I didn't take this decision alone. I made sure other admins were on board but nonetheless I stand fully behind it and since my "job" is first of all - prevention - I decided to rollback the transfer.

    Now, there are two ways users can deal with any rollback. Come here and bash about it or talk to us. If we come to a understanding about it the users lost as much as 3/4 days in redoing the transfer. It's a price to pay on having admins waving over the transfers to avoid as much as possible anyone to play this game unfairly.

    Thanks for reading (:

    Not exactly the same thing here. But Point 1 and 2 are spot on.
    Should it be rolled back? Who knows...

    Does one of the best players ingame deserve to be with an Active manager? I would say so...¨

    Also the banking is allowed, so why not use it...

  • #6 2017-08-25 13:04

    This happends every single day with different players. Just because it's a great player you can't rollback it.
    If they are gonna do anything they should make it impossible for 0/5 activity clans to bid whatsoever on players, not rollback the few, of many, that gets attention because of some high-profile manager wants said player.

  • #7 2017-08-25 13:40

    bumbibjörnen wrote:

    Should it be rolled back? Who knows...

    Does one of the best players ingame deserve to be with an Active manager? I would say so...¨

    Does it matter? I wouldn't say so...

    The managers that outbid vers both have as much right to the player as he does, particularly topli. Neither of those bids are "unserious" or outside the realms of normality. Should great footballers be playing Europe? I would say so but those Chinese clubs paid their money and it's as good as anyone elses

    vers wrote:

    I wouldn't care if it was a manager with at least half decent team and active but I find this simply disgusting that 0/5 activity guy, no transfers in the past 1.5 years, no interest in the game whatsoever is allowed to bid almost 700k on a single player.

    So get your head out of your own arse for once. And FYI such rollbacks happened in the past.

    Btw the whole wanting to see the player go to an active team yada yada narrative falls down when you start bullying/pestering topli not to bid on the player if and when the convenient rollback takes place and the player is re-listed. Just because you had a banking arrangement with arsa doesn't give you some divine right to the player. Maybe you should extract your own head from your own behind and stop dismissing everyone who outbids you as someone that will waste the player.

    bumbibjörnen wrote:

    Also the banking is allowed, so why not use it...

    Banking may be legal, but sometimes it goes wrong. The rollback system isn't something to be abused when the exchange doesn't go to plan...

    Last edited by Icbus at 2017-08-25 13:48
  • #8 2017-08-25 13:53

    Agree with you osis...
    But i dont care who gets it, but if he made a troll-bid without any more activity...

    Then his bid is just poinless, and will just continue to possible destroy the game even further.
    There is a lack of really good players on the TL already, why waste those players on inactive managers who will just let him die?

    but they do have a prejudice here from previous rollbacks.

    time to Exchange some GA's for people who wanna help, instead of those GA's who are inactive and responds like "i dont know, im inactive / i dont care tbh. better ask someoneelse"

    Last edited by bumbibjörnen at 2017-08-25 13:55
  • #9 2017-08-25 13:54

    Icbus wrote:

    [quote:p:7967623] Banking may be legal, but sometimes it goes wrong. The rollback system isn't something to be abused when the exchange doesn't go to plan...

    agree with you 100%

    i dont care if vers gets the CL, or topli or zane, kanar... or anyone else!
    Thats not the Point... But if someone buys it just too troll and be inactive.. then theres a problem imo

    Last edited by bumbibjörnen at 2017-08-25 14:01
  • #10 2017-08-25 14:05

    bumbibjörnen wrote:

    Icbus wrote:

    [quote:p:7967623] Banking may be legal, but sometimes it goes wrong. The rollback system isn't something to be abused when the exchange doesn't go to plan...

    agree with you 100%

    i dont care if vers gets the CL, or topli or zane, kanar... or anyone else!
    Thats not the Point... But if someone buys it just too troll and be inactive.. then theres a problem imo

    And how do you know he won't buy another 4 godlike players the next days, getting active and using the leader competitively? Maybe he made an account, idled several years and now got motivated again for whatever reason. I don't see any point in saying he shouldn't be allowed to buy the player as you just cannot guarantee it was a troll bid or sth. similar.

  • #11 2017-08-25 14:13

    @hu7k

    I cant know that.... But if he does... gz to a great CL...
    If he doesnt.... ? thanks for destroying a limited player! D

    last transfer 2016-02-XX from him.

    I

  • #12 2017-08-25 14:23

    osis wrote:

    This happends every single day with different players. Just because it's a great player you can't rollback it.
    If they are gonna do anything they should make it impossible for 0/5 activity clans to bid whatsoever on players, not rollback the few, of many, that gets attention because of some high-profile manager wants said player.

    Fair enough if it's a common problem, I don't follow TL and I don't know what's going on on a daily basis, but then don't you think this shouldn't be happening? There should be some sort of account limitations that stop you from spending more than x csm on TL if you are not active etc, similar limitations are already in place if you are a new user. Such a change will never happen anyway, too much hassle to write 3 lines of code.

    Hu7K wrote:


    And how do you know he won't buy another 4 godlike players the next days, getting active and using the leader competitively? Maybe he made an account, idled several years and now got motivated again for whatever reason. I don't see any point in saying he shouldn't be allowed to buy the player as you just cannot guarantee it was a troll bid or sth. similar.

    Do you really think he will be able to afford 4 more players just after he probably spent his entire bank roll on one single player? Most likely no sponsor but if he has one then it's maximum 2 star sponsor paying him close to nothing, no pcw history or no upcoming pcws. If you could come up with this ridiculous theory then please now enlighten me how he could possibly afford those 4 godlike players.

  • #13 2017-08-25 14:50

    Did you all forget rhythm's transfers?

    2016-10-24 19:30 Sold Xu Xin (id: 12691954) to no blunt. no paper. rasta for 400 000 csm (Profit: 0 csm, Tax rate: 20%)
    2016-10-24 19:30 Sold Ma Long (id: 13523871) to no blunt. no paper. rasta for 500 000 csm (Profit: 400 000 csm, Tax rate: 20%)

    just check this clan and you will see what will most likely happen(atleast should) to this transfer and this CL.

    Last edited by Ludis at 2017-08-25 14:51
  • #14 2017-08-25 15:15

    Ludis wrote:

    Did you all forget rhythm's transfers?

    2016-10-24 19:30 Sold Xu Xin (id: 12691954) to no blunt. no paper. rasta for 400 000 csm (Profit: 0 csm, Tax rate: 20%)
    2016-10-24 19:30 Sold Ma Long (id: 13523871) to no blunt. no paper. rasta for 500 000 csm (Profit: 400 000 csm, Tax rate: 20%)

    just check this clan and you will see what will most likely happen(atleast should) to this transfer and this CL.

    +1

    Cant any admin check his login history? If he shows a clear history of inactivity past few months... ? 1.5 years?

  • #15 2017-08-25 15:46

    Both those 2 players are on TL right now.

    P1
    P2

    About the CL player it's just sad someone destroying top players.
    5/5 activity should be a requirement for access to transfer list..

    Last edited by Mastah at 2017-08-25 15:49
  • #16 2017-08-25 15:50

    vers wrote:

    osis wrote:

    This happends every single day with different players. Just because it's a great player you can't rollback it.
    If they are gonna do anything they should make it impossible for 0/5 activity clans to bid whatsoever on players, not rollback the few, of many, that gets attention because of some high-profile manager wants said player.

    Fair enough if it's a common problem, I don't follow TL and I don't know what's going on on a daily basis, but then don't you think this shouldn't be happening? There should be some sort of account limitations that stop you from spending more than x csm on TL if you are not active etc, similar limitations are already in place if you are a new user. Such a change will never happen anyway, too much hassle to write 3 lines of code.

    Hu7K wrote:


    And how do you know he won't buy another 4 godlike players the next days, getting active and using the leader competitively? Maybe he made an account, idled several years and now got motivated again for whatever reason. I don't see any point in saying he shouldn't be allowed to buy the player as you just cannot guarantee it was a troll bid or sth. similar.

    Do you really think he will be able to afford 4 more players just after he probably spent his entire bank roll on one single player? Most likely no sponsor but if he has one then it's maximum 2 star sponsor paying him close to nothing, no pcw history or no upcoming pcws. If you could come up with this ridiculous theory then please now enlighten me how he could possibly afford those 4 godlike players.

    It is not about the money that he can invest, more about his wilingl to invest, so your point is entirely senseless. Nonetheles, even with 2 star sponsor he should have between 1.5 and 2M. So that's enough money obviously to buy some good enough players to win something big in Israel. I am not saying that I assume he will buy a team any time soon, just that he can buy a team any time soon.

    Ludis wrote:

    Did you all forget rhythm's transfers?

    2016-10-24 19:30 Sold Xu Xin (id: 12691954) to no blunt. no paper. rasta for 400 000 csm (Profit: 0 csm, Tax rate: 20%)
    2016-10-24 19:30 Sold Ma Long (id: 13523871) to no blunt. no paper. rasta for 500 000 csm (Profit: 400 000 csm, Tax rate: 20%)

    just check this clan and you will see what will most likely happen(atleast should) to this transfer and this CL.

    Just with the difference that this 'no blunt. no paper. rasta' guy went 100k over the SB at both players and in the current case it was a regular 5% overbid that didn't give the seller any noticeable benefit.

    Mastah wrote:

    Both those 2 players are on TL right now.

    P1
    P2

    About the CL player it's just sad someone destroying top players.
    5/5 activity should be a requirement for access to transfer list..

    Indeed it is sad, but requiring 5/5 activity is senseless.

    Last edited by Hu7K at 2017-08-25 15:53
  • #17 2017-08-25 15:56

    "Investment is not about the money"...

    "requiring 5/5 activity is senseless" - what's not senseless in your opinion then?

    Last edited by vers at 2017-08-25 16:21
  • #18 2017-08-25 16:35

    If rules were broken roll it back if not then don't. U really wanna play a game where "admins" make a judgement call based on if they "think" the manager "deserves" the player? That's gonna get really shady really quick. Especially when the admins play the game and are affected by the decision.

  • #19 2017-08-27 11:51

    U were right hu7k

    Hes definitely going for 4 more godlikes!!!

  • #20 2017-08-27 13:06

    Meanstreak wrote:

    If rules were broken roll it back if not then don't. U really wanna play a game where "admins" make a judgement call based on if they "think" the manager "deserves" the player? That's gonna get really shady really quick. Especially when the admins play the game and are affected by the decision.

    I guess this is spot on!

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